Went and saw United 93

[Passenger Mark]

I wanted to share my views with you.

My Nephew and I went to go see United 93 yesterday.

When it was first introduced, I was not going to see it because "I thought" it was just Hollywood trying to sensationalize, and make money off of a terrible day.

But the movie is anything but that. As has been written here, it just follows what happened that day. No politics, no grandstanding views, no patriotic overtones, etc.

To sum it up, I would say it is about ordinary people in extraordinary events. And it also shows what a real hero is. It was tastefully done.

However, it is gut wrenching, and I came away feeling like I had been hit in the stomach. It does bring back the same feelings I had on that day.

Now that is from me as a general member. As the Administrator, I would not recommend going to see the movie if you are still in the midst of your work with Fear of Flying. Yes... it is a good movie, but I know the next time I fly scenes from it will come back to me. I feel I am far enough along to deal with it. But if you are just starting or in the midst of your walk... I would pass. I am sure it will be out in the future, or on DVD, and you can always see it then.

Another note: There is another movie out on DVD right now. "Flight 93". I have also seen this as it "mysteriously" came out at the same time. Stay away from this one all together. It is a shot at taking advantage of a somber event, while trying to ride on the coat tails of the real deal.

[Lynda]

I don't think it is out over here Mark. I am unsure if I could watch it.

[MarcoAviator]

I would have no problem whatsoever watching it. I am not afraid of terrorism (not anymore than I am on the ground that is ... plenty of bad things can happen on trains or buses, as we have seen in the past).

And the root of my fears is rooted in mechanical malfunctions ... not terrorism. My only problem is that I don't have anybody to go watch it with ... my wife does not like movies with bad endings and this one ...

... well we already know how it ends.

[LeslieDEN]

I've seen it twice now. Friday and again yesterday. I agree with Mark.

When I felt compelled to see it a second time, I did question my motivations. I hoped I wasn't one driven by the desire to wallow in the emotions of other people's tragedy.

But as I watched it the second time, I realized what had brought me back. So much of it is an inside look at commercial aviation, taking place at the control centers and the FAA command center. Many of the aviation professionals play themselves. Even the pilots aren't played by actors but by real commercial airline pilots.

It is a very respectful, realistic look at the events of the day.

[catlover85]

Thanks for telling us, I'll make sure I wont see it.

[Barb-SAN]

Mark,

I'm glad that you posted a review of "United 93" after you saw it. From all your posts over the last several years, I know how hard you worked to overcome your fear of flying. It seems courageous for you to go to see a movie that is reputed to be "graphic and hard to watch". I'm glad that you are "far enough along to deal with it". However, I am listening to your comments about it being "gut wrenching" and bringing up the feelings of that day, and I will go with your recommendation to not see it, based on where I am in dealing with fear of flying.

I've been reading numerous reviews of the movie...it's stimulating a lot of discussion in the media, on blogs, etc, and it probably will for some time, especially if it gets any awards for "Best Movie of the Year".

I just finished reading an interesting article in Slate, linked here http://slate.com/id/2140676 . I thought his comments about "control", and "lack of control" were interesting, as "control issues" have been mentioned frequently in FoF discussions.

Barb-SAN

[cshollingsworth]

originally i wasn't going to go see this movie, but it wasn't all to do with my fof.

i feel the same as marco, my fof comes from mechanical failure issues. for me, that is the bottom line. it's the thing i fear most.

i thought about the likelihood of being involved in a terrorist act on a bus as i crossed the US last fall on a greyhound. it was so obvious that an attack on a bus would be easy and would affect many people. so, yes, as marco said...for me, my fof would not rear it's head in this movie simply because it's not to do with a mechanical failure.

i am planning on asking my husband if he will join me to see this movie before it leaves the cinema.

thx mark and marco...

[noflyingfan]

I know there's really no right or wrong answer to this, but, for those of you who have seen it....

Many of us on the board have said that the threat of terrorism doesn't really play a part in our FOF. I know it doesn't in mine.

Mark (and others) have warned not to see this movie if you're still working on your FOF.

In your opinion (just your opinion), will this movie have as strong an effect on one's FOF if the fear doesn't stem from terrorism?

This isn't going to affect my decision to see or not see the movie, I'm just curious what you think.

[scaredy_cat]

I am definitely not going to see this movie. At least not now. I have trouble watching ANY sort of plane footage on tv or a movie. Just the sound of the engine is enough to set my heart racing overtime. So maybe someday, when I can overcome this fear, I will watch it. But I don't think it would be good for me at all right now.

[Passenger Mark]

In your opinion (just your opinion), will this movie have as strong an effect on one's FOF if the fear doesn't stem from terrorism?


I believe whether you worry about terrorism or not, the movie would have an effect on someone. How much depends on how far along one is in their work with the FoFing.

I can't help to believe that even someone that has no anxiety associated with flying, will think about the events the next time they fly.

As I wrote before, I know next time I fly, scenes will flash in my mind, and I have never had a concern with terrorism.

[LeslieDEN]

These are just my thoughts -- it's not even an opinion, and I could be wrong. I do agree with Mark: this is an upsetting movie and is likely to upset to some extent just about anyone who sees it. The images are strong and I don't doubt that they will bubble up even for many nonfearfuls when they next fly.

But unless someone is bothered by aircraft interiors and stuff like that (as Paula described), I don't see much here to intensify the FOF for someone with regular old what-if-the-wings-fall-off fear of flying. At the end when the plane goes out of control maybe (I hope that's not a spoiler; I figure everybody knows that already) -- that's a very intense scene visually and I felt my own tummy do a little loop.

And heck, it might even be reassuring in a bizarre way that those planes are so tough that they can even be flown by a lunatic with minimal flight training. He does things no real pilot would do, like putting the plane into a steep dive to get lower quickly and banking severely, but the plane remains under control.

Again, just thoughts, not even an opinion. I really don't know and would hate to send someone off to see this and find out I was wrong and they end up traumatized by the plane scenes. But I just don't see anything that connects with plain old non-terrorist FOF.

[EyesSkyward]

FWIW, I posted some details about some of the more unsettling/anxiety-provoking scenes in an earlier thread (http://www.takingflight.us/forums/showpost.php?p=42256&postcount=21).

Also, a review of the film is now posted at Screen It (http://www.screenit.com/movies/2006/united_93.html), which might help people decide if they're on the fence. Screen It exists primarily to let parents know whether a film is appropriate for their kids. It does this by listing just about anything that you might want to know about the film's content. (Needless to say, this can spoil the plot in many cases. Not so much of an issue with this movie, but just so you know...)

- Jeff

[LeslieDEN]

I think Jeff's (EyesSkyward) white text in that link provides a good description of the worst anyone will experience FOF-wise and serves as a good should-I-see-this-or-not gauge.

While we're at it, I wanted to mention something I experienced when I went to the movie.

At first, I wasn't even going to see it. Like Mark, I assumed it was just an exploitation film, especially after hearing some cuts from the trailer on the radio ("Honey, it's me. My plane's been hijacked!") -- the trailer is NOT representative of the movie, and I don't think that particular line is even in the movie. Then when the great reviews came in, I decided to see it.

But once I'd decided to see it, I wondered if I should even get popcorn ... I always do at movies, but for this one, that would be disrespectful, right? It would, wouldn't it? I won't get popcorn. This isn't that kind of movie. I felt bad for even wondering if I should.

At the Friday showing, attendance was sparse, and I didn't notice any popcorn.

The Saturday showing was a different story. There were a lot more people, and many came in saddled with food. A few plopped themselves down, slung a foot up on the armrest in the next row, and started chowing down. I wasn't sure what to think. Didn't they know what they were about to see?

Worse, during some of the longer ATC parts, some folks apparently got bored and started talking or getting up to go to the bathroom or concession stand. It sunk in then: As great as this movie is, there are some audience members who wanted an exploitation film, who were just here for cheap thrills. They were waiting for the hijacking, the rest was just filler to them.

I probably shouldn't judge my fellow movie-goers, but that sort of saddened me. Or annoyed me. Or something. I wanted everybody to view this movie the way I did. Or at least shut up so I could hear it.

[Jeff California]

Stop thinking and just see it or dont. I am a pro at thinking things into oblivion and i hereby declare this oblivion.

[Passenger Mark]

Stop thinking and just see it or dont. I am a pro at thinking things into oblivion and i hereby declare this oblivion.

Well... there is a bigger issue here.

All along we talk about "baby steps" when dealing with the FoFing.

A "baby step" may be going to the airport and hanging out to desensitize yourself. Or taking a short flight instead of a long one. Avoiding weather, doing something out of the routine, leaving the medication behind etc.

It all comes down to how far along you are, and the one to judge that the best is yourself.

Recently Lynda posted about not going to the hotel at the airport before her flight. This had been part of her routine on previous flights, and she was trying something new. It was a baby step... a progressive step.

Tackling the Fear of Flying is not always about taking some huge leap, but one step at a time. Sometimes, almost always, we may find ourselves taking two steps forward, and one back. This is normal.

The purpose of my thread was not to give a hollywood style review, but to discuss a sensitive subject, and a movie about it. To tell you what my thoughts were about it, so that one could decide for themselves whether they were ready for it or not.

I, like Sean, would not have seen this movie a year ago. I was not ready. But it was a baby step for me. We will see if it will put me back "a step" or not. But that was a personal choice I made.

Again... it is all about steps, one at a time, and not getting frustrated at yourself if you are not quite ready to take that next one.

Jeff is right... you can over analyze the decision to see it or not to oblivion, just like you can over analyze anything to do with the Fear of Flying. The thing is to check yourself as to whether you are ready or not, make the decision, and then move on from there.

[Barb-SAN]

FWIW, I posted some details about some of the more unsettling/anxiety-provoking scenes in an earlier thread (http://www.takingflight.us/forums/showpost.php?p=42256&postcount=21).

Also, a review of the film is now posted at Screen It (http://www.screenit.com/movies/2006/united_93.html), which might help people decide if they're on the fence. Screen It exists primarily to let parents know whether a film is appropriate for their kids. It does this by listing just about anything that you might want to know about the film's content. (Needless to say, this can spoil the plot in many cases. Not so much of an issue with this movie, but just so you know...)

- Jeff

"Screen It" seems like a very useful website which I was unaware of...I've bookmarked it for future reference...thanks, Jeff. It certainly gives a different perspective of a movie than a "Hollywood style review", which is often intended to create interest in seeing the movie...which is ultimately about making money for all the people involved in the production and distribution of the product.

Some years ago I participated in an 8-week program "Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction", and one of the exercises was to be aware of all the media influences we allow into our lives on a daily basis, and how we feel after watching or reading them. Looking up a movie on "Screen It" and reading about what sort of images, music, etc. we are going to be exposing ourselves to seems like an exercise in mindfulness. How will we feel if we watch a passenger stabbed with a knife, for example? If we can imagine it from the written word, how much more intense will it be if we see it visually, and then with "scary music" to go along with it? Will this make it easier or more difficult to take the next flight? And yes, maybe this is over-analysis...but if you've been grounded for years, you know that you do a lot of this in trying to figure out why you're in that situation, how you can overcome it, and how you can prevent yourself from falling back into that place again.

I think Mark & Sean's reviews from the perspective of recently recovered fearful fliers are especially valuable, and a perspective that I haven't found anywhere else in the regular press. I take their cautions about not seeing the movie if you're not very comfortable flying very seriously, and appreciate that they wrote them.

It could be a whole other thread topic....the effects of visual and print media on both causing and curing fear of flying.

Barb-SAN

[noflyingfan]

[quote=Barb-SANIt could be a whole other thread topic....the effects of visual and print media on both causing and curing fear of flying.
Barb-SAN[/quote]

I'm so glad I'm not a reporter anymore. It was always kind of a hassle on this board. :)

[LeslieDEN]

However, the possibility also exists that some folks need to defuse their tension watching it and just go about doing it in an inappropriate way.

That's a good point. It also reminds me that I've read that a few audience members have been made made queasy by the hand-held camera, so maybe there was some of that too when folks were walking out/coming back in. Probably I was too quick to jump to conclusions.

[CaptainStark]

I concur with his remarks about accuracy, it is a must see movie ....... I was Captain of 747-400 in the air headed from Narita to Singapore at the time ... that is a whole other story .... ****(McKay).

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United Airlines Flight 93, the movie Guys, Susie and I just got back from seeing "UAL Flight 93", it was absolutely gripping, and as a former airline pilot who was flying a trip that morning on a Boeing 767 from Cincinnati to Orlando it was almost too horrific to watch...it was very disturbing! For you pilot types, the attention to detail, the cockpit, the preflight, the crew, pilots and flight attendants boarding the aircraft and making small talk was OH, so real and routine...just another day in the office! Likewise the views from central flow control, NY and Boston ARTCC and the NORAD command center were very realistic. Should anyone have any doubts about our response, or lack of that morning you need to view this movie. Watching all the various controllers and their supervisors trying to get their arms around the problem and to come to grips and connect the dots is so very real. The movie appears to almost happen in real time and you can really sense the problem that the commanders had in thinking outside the box and realizing that we were really at war. Fighters are scrambled, late, and in the wrong direction, as threats are suppose to come from over the water to the east not from over land to the west; the planes are not armed, can they ram, and who has the authority to give that command...the command is given but not relayed to the pilots. ; The lack of communications, or rather the disbelief and lack of coordination is stunning but easy to understand. Even the pilots of UAL Flt 93 are given a data link message that the Towers have been hit and to beware of cockpit intruders...they brush it off in disbelief...as I'm sure any pilot would have prior to that date. The time line given at the end of the movie and the confusion over what planes were involved, and which flights were being hijacked is very revealing...we just couldn't get it together quickly enough. As pilots and crew members we had never been trained to deal with suicidal hijackers who were prepared to die, it was simply inconceivable at the time. A key point, though not belabored, was when the supervisor of the FAA Central Flow Control ordered that all aircraft in US airspace land immediately, (there were over 4200 in the air), that no planes from overseas would be allowed into the country and would be turned back, and that there were to be no over flights...he realized that we were at war but didn't know with whom...it was a very bold and brave move and he was thinking way outside the box...I believe that it was also his first day on the job as the boss! All Americans should see this movie as it may help them get a grip on the terrorist threat that we are up against vs. the radical Muslim world. I don't know if we belong in Iraq or how we should deal with Iran or North Korea or the Sudan, but I know that there is a real threat to our way of life from the radical Islamic fundamentalists. I continually hear that this is not a true reflection of the Koran or true Islamic beliefs. Well that may be true, and it might not be, but there would appear to be plenty of Muslims in the world that have an entirely different and radical interpretation of the Koran which we cannot ignore. What was probably as disturbing as watching an airline crew, that could have been me or any of my friends, seeing their world and their life taken away, was the hijackers preparing to die, washing themselves and praying to their god as if they were doing his will. They looked like ordinary young men, and to think that they could sit next to all these people on that plane that they were going to kill, who had nothing against them or done nothing to them, was beyond words. I guess if nothing else it gives you insight into the minds of suicide bombers, which to our Western way of thought is beyond comprehension. This movie will make you angry, very angry. My experience on 9/11. We were just ready to close the door for our Delta767 flight from CVG to MCO when the gate agent came on board and asked if we had heard anything about a small plane hitting the World Trade Center, we had not, so she said goodbye and closed the door. Shortly thereafter we were airborne climbing out on a beautifully clear crisp fall morning heading to Florida with not a cloud in the sky or a care in the world. I heard a bizjet ask for a reroute since he could not get to New York and I thought that was strange. Then another bizjet said "well I guess we won't be going there either" and asked for a clearance to an alternate. At that point I asked center what was going on. There was a pause and then the controller came back in a very excited voice and said "they have hit both of the Trade Center Towers, they have hit the Pentagon, they have hit the Capitol and the White House"...well you can imagine it got really lively on the frequency. I turned to my Co-Pilot and said "I don't know what has happened, but I do know that things will never be the same", and I think I got that right! Within seconds the controller had composed himself and said all flights on this frequency standby, and it was dead quiet. He then said all flights are to land immediately and went down the list of the planes under his control..."American 235 turn right heading 230 you're landing at Pittsburgh, Continental 456 turn left heading 180 for Cincinnati, Delta 235 (that's me) turn right to 250 and descend to
8000, you're landing at Knoxville, airport your 2 o'clock 40 miles....etc" It was the best, fastest and most efficient handling I have ever had from ATC...they had everyone on the ground all over the country in minimum time. After all the initial confusion, their professionalism, and that of all the flight crews was exemplary! We spent two days in Knoxville and then ferried an empty 757 back to Atlanta and I believe were one of the first flights to land back at our main hub. Our arrival at ATL was one of the most moving experiences of my flying career. The airspace was totally empty, there was no talk on the radio, and we were the only plane in the sky over ATL, the busiest airport in the U.S., but we did have, unknown to us until informed by the controller, an F-16 right on ou r tail, but we never saw him. When we taxied in the normally frantic ramp area was dead quiet, all the ground equipment, tugs, baggage carts, tugs, fuelers etc. were lined up in military precision and the ground crews were standing at attention and saluted....wow, I'll never forget that. They needed a sign that things were getting back to normal...that we were moving and flying again. Reflections. As you may know I was on a United Flight several weeks ago from Chicago to Sacramento that had a passenger who tried to open the front cabin door, allegedly claimed to have a bomb, and took a swing at the flight attendant. We'll yours truly was sound asleep in the last row of coach and missed all the action, but suffice it to say that before he got very far he was rapidly subdued by the first class section and we diverted to Denver. Unlike Flight 93 he couldn't have gotten into the cockpit as the cockpit door is now armored and no passenger is going to sit still and let anyone interfere with the flight. I always felt that with the improved cockpit door that I would be totally safe, and that all my passengers i n the cabin would act as Sky Marshals...I was and they did...they remembered 9/11, lets hope that we never forget! I would also like to mention that all the crew members on my United flight as well as all the ground rescue folks in Denver and the United station personnel did an absolutely marvelous job in handling this incident. It made me proud to have once been a part of this profession. John



I don't know if I can watch this, partly due to anger management issues.
Bill

[Barb-SAN]

And, no doubt in my mind ,that something as visual as a movie can trigger reactions. But many people here are at a point where it will bring up many emotions but not fear.
It really has to be a very individual decision.

Monica, I was wondering if you were referring to emotions like anger rather than fear...Captain Stark's post reminds me of the "other" responses to stress...the triggers may be the same...but some fight (anger) and others flee (fear). And maybe in time the fear turns into anger, or vice-versa, as more information becomes known.

The pilot who questioned whether he should watch it due to "anger management issues" is asking a similar question to what we've discussed here...do you want to get your emotions all stirred up by a movie? It can be hard on your body/heart to get a big load of stress hormones...and is it worth it in the end? What action can you take to relieve the emotions afterwards? Will it negatively affect your behavior afterwards?

Also fascinating to hear the reactions of pilots who were flying that day to the movie...thanks for sharing, Ray!

Barb-SAN

[LeslieDEN]

Ray, thanks very much for that pilot's-eye-view of the day and the film. Much appreciated. It's like reading a postscript to the movie -- a response by folks in the industry who were there to a film about folks in the industry who were there.

Barb, I wanted to weigh in on what you wrote:

I don't see the anger reaction as an unhealthy response to stress. That seems to turn a natural reaction into a clinical diagnosis. I mean, the movie makes you mad because -- jeez, if this doesn't make you mad, what does? The movie stirs up many emotions, mostly sorrow and anger. But it's not manipulative; it doesn't overtly lead you toward any conclusion. It just shows what happened that day, to the extent that anyone can know, and that is its strength.

This thread started out with a warning that seeing the film might lead to setbacks for some fearful flyers. But the other emotions -- will this film make you sad? Of course. Will it make you angry? Probably. (Oh, and for the popcorn "I wanted it to be like Titanic" gang: Will it bore the pants off you? Yes.)

I'm so grateful that the first 9/11 theatrical release was this. It's truly a great movie. I don't believe that the sorrow and the anger it evokes are inappropriate or unhealthy. As Monica has said, whether folks want to experience that is up to them, and as California Jeff said, in essence, you can analyze this to pieces and eventually drive yourself crazy with should I/shouldn't I see it.

I went on longer than I intended to -- sorry about that -- but I loved this movie for a bunch of reasons I don't quite understand myself, and in the end, it's not about us and our reaction to it. It's about the people who lived and died that day.

[Barb-SAN]

Barb, I wanted to weigh in on what you wrote:

I don't see the anger reaction as an unhealthy response to stress. That seems to turn a natural reaction into a clinical diagnosis. I mean, the movie makes you mad because -- jeez, if this doesn't make you mad, what does? The movie stirs up many emotions, mostly sorrow and anger. But it's not manipulative; it doesn't overtly lead you toward any conclusion....

This thread started out with a warning that seeing the film might lead to setbacks for some fearful flyers. But the other emotions -- will this film make you sad? Of course. Will it make you angry? Probably. (Oh, and for the popcorn "I wanted it to be like Titanic" gang: Will it bore the pants off you? Yes.)

.... I don't believe that the sorrow and the anger it evokes are inappropriate or unhealthy. As Monica has said, whether folks want to experience that is up to them...

I went on longer than I intended to -- sorry about that -- but I loved this movie for a bunch of reasons I don't quite understand myself, and in the end, it's not about us and our reaction to it. It's about the people who lived and died that day.....



It's clear that many people feel very passionately about this movie, and I've read plenty of reviews that state "this is a must-see movie, or "all Americans should see this", etc. There is certainly a level of "peer pressure" to go out and see the movie.

My intent is not to debate the value of the movie or it's message, but rather to question if the emotional response that it will produce will be helpful or not to people struggling with fear of flying.

Having gone through 9 months of biofeedback training as part of my own treatment plan for overcoming fear of flying, I became much more aware of the influence of emotions on my own cardiac rhythms.

There has been much written about the negative effects of stress and negative emotions on the heart. Here is an interesting article from WebMD about emotions and the heart. The author quotes the cardiologist who is the director of the clinic where I did my biofeedback sessions and discusses her new book (The Heart Speaks). "

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/119/113218.htm

"In her book, Dr. Guarneri weaves the latest medical knowledge with her own personal experiences -- hoping to spur conversations that pull people out of their stressful lifestyles. She wants to help them cope better with life-threatening emotions like grief, anger, anxiety, stress.
"I want people to start looking at their lives and see how these events, this stress, grief, anger has affected their health," she says." "

:) Barb-SAN

[LeslieDEN]

Ah, now I geddit. I went to the link and understand the question much better now.

Can't answer it, but at least I understand it. :)

Thanks.

[Passenger Mark]

....
It's clear that many people feel very passionately about this movie, and I've read plenty of reviews that state "this is a must-see movie, or "all Americans should see this", etc. There is certainly a level of "peer pressure" to go out and see the movie.



:) Barb-SAN


WHOA!!!!! Throw on the brakes, hold the presses, full reverse thrust...

The movie is just that... a movie! Now I do agree with Jeff... go see it, or don't, but don't make it out to be more than what it is.

Yes it is a good movie, Yes we should "remember" 9-11, but one has to chose for themselves to see it or not. There is no room for guilt here.

Barb, This is not pointed at you. And I know you are just posting what the reviews are stating. I just want to make sure NO-ONE feels that they should see this movie due to "peer pressure".

I went because my Nephew wanted to see it, and I thought... as an Administrator here I should see it.

[Barb-SAN]

Just for clarification....by "peer pressure" I was thinking more "globally" than this message board, and the pressure comes also from authority figures who write the reviews and say all Americans need to see it to really understand the terrorist mindset.

Anytime there is a popular or controversial movie, there can be a sense of wanting to see it just so that you can join in the conversation. And, to a degree I feel that here at TF, that I'm not as qualified to offer an opinion on the movie since I haven't gone to see it, and am basing my opinion on reviews.

That's why I've tried to raise the more general question of being aware of what triggers certain emotions, and the idea making a conscious decision about subjecting yourself to the triggers. It could well be that some people will deliberately do that as a way of working with anxiety and relaxation techniques, and try to desensitize themselves to an "automatic trigger" by watching a movie likely to upset them.

Yes, it's "just a movie"....in the same way that TV coverage on 9/11 was "just a TV news story" for those of us living far away from NYC. It was still very traumatic to watch it then...even though we could just turn off the TV and walk outside and enjoy the September sunshine, and it seemed like nothing much had changed in California then except driving to the store and seeing all the flags on the houses flying at half mast.

Barb-SAN

[Barb-SAN]

I wanted to share my views with you.

My Nephew and I went to go see United 93 yesterday.

However, it is gut wrenching, and I came away feeling like I had been hit in the stomach. It does bring back the same feelings I had on that day.

Now that is from me as a general member. As the Administrator, I would not recommend going to see the movie if you are still in the midst of your work with Fear of Flying. Yes... it is a good movie, but I know the next time I fly scenes from it will come back to me. I feel I am far enough along to deal with it. But if you are just starting or in the midst of your walk... I would pass. I am sure it will be out in the future, or on DVD, and you can always see it then.

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Mark...I just wanted to quote you here from the start of the thread...since you were concerned about my comment about "peer pressure" on TF....that you clearly stated at the beginning of the thread that you DO NOT recommend that FF's see this movie.

Barb-SAN

[Jeff California]

I saw it today on dvd. Gut wrenching- for sure. I enjoyed the ATC scenes. Even though they were fake, it puts in perspective what they dealt with that day. I found myself wanting to break the hijackers necks.