Serious Omen?????

[paperwings]

Ok ok ok....I know we've discussed omens and I've seen lots of posts about this but.....

So guys, I'm flying tomorrow (supposed to!) and it seems like everywhere I turn I have some sign that isn't good....

example:

I had a dream about being on a smaller plane and seeing that I had a young pilot and seeing a plane close by in the clouds (like potential collision)...and then in reality I find out that I AM in fact flying on a regional flight...do I have a sixth sense???

My husband (who isn't a FF) has a dream about a crash landing.


Ok. So I was freaking a little today and I decided to go to yoga to relax and at the end of class we go into the last pose (which is lying in a relaxed state on the floor) and the teacher says this is called "corpse pose" which "prepares you for death." Wow! I've been doing yoga for years and I've NEVER heard this! So of course I think this means I'm supposed to be preparing for death. So I cried. And felt crappy to boot, when I was trying to relax!

Then, I go out to dinner, and in the restaurant, of course the ONLY music they're playing is Patsy Cline, who of course died in a plane crash. A sign?

What do you think? Am I nuts? I am already freaking about this CRJ flight
(Sorry John Robinson!)...

Help???!!!

Thanks guys,
Lauren

[Passenger Mark]

Hi Lauren,

No you are not nuts... or if you are... we are all nuts!

Just a bunch of conincidental stuff. Except your Yoga teacher... she/he is just weird!

As for the dream... we know that we dream what we think about. Even when we are not aware we are thinking about it. As for your husband... I am sure he is aware of your concerns... and that sticks to the back of his mind.

One time to test this "sign" or omens thing, I decided to look for omens as if I had a flight coming up. I didn't have any flights for months... just set myself up that way.

Sure enough I saw all sorts of bad signs that could relate to a potential flight.

I even had a dream about falling from a plane!

So I think it is a combo of dreams from thinking about it, coincidental signs, and a strange Yoga Teacher!

[paperwings]

Thanks Mark so much for replying. I was/am really looking for support right now as I am really upset.

I agreee that there are coincidental things that can come up..it's just hard to realize that.
As for the yoga teacher, yeah, I think she was pretty out there. I was about to jump up and say "What are you doing to me???!!!"

I guess I'll post my flight to track....

I think I'll be up all night though...

-Lauren

[mu78]

Hi Lauren,

I think if you have not been a FF, you would not have noticed the Yoga and singer things and you or your husband would have not had that dream!

As FF, I remember once before the day of my flight I interpretted every sign I had about flying very badly!

Just forget the Final Destination movie and go for it!:)

I remember a plane crash story in Sudan where all the passengers died except for a baby who found alive on a tree! This is how fate was written!

Take care,

[paperwings]

isn't helping.....

If you think signs are a coincidence, then shouldn't a baby being alive in a tree be just lucky, albeit bizarre luck?

I dunno.

I felt better for a moment, then terrified when you said "fate." Who says signs aren't fate?

Oy.

But I appreciate the response a lot. Really and truly.

[Rebecca]

Lauren, something interesting happened to me Sunday night that I’ve been thinking about, and I think it might be appropriate here.

Most of my flying dreams involve me hanging onto the tail or a wing while a plane is in flight. I know I cannot let go. I’m often out there for the takeoff, never the landing. Always wake up before any landing happens. It’s just rushing air trying to pull me off and me desperately clinging on.

A big change happened Sunday night. I was hanging on to the tail of a jet, terrified, it was loud of course and the backwash was really powerful. I made it to cruise and as usual, I knew the flight would be too long for me to hang on the whole time. The pull was too strong, there was nothing but slippery metal to hang onto, and I could see I would have to let go, as usual.

Then a really weird thing happened that never has before. In the dream, the thought occurred to me that I could get inside the plane and be safe if I really wanted to. I accepted the idea for some reason. I told myself, “This whole thing is in your mind. You are not really out here hanging on to the plane’s tail. You are inside the plane. You have made this situation up.” I was aware of myself talking to myself out loud, also very strange for a dream of mine. Slowly, everything started to morph into clarity and I felt myself being transported (like on Star Trek sort of) into the interior of the plane, where there were seats and everything was normal. Then I woke up.

I suspect this reversal of the usual dream scenario happened because I have been working on thought control lately after some of PosE’s posts and trying to get some control over the constant trains of thought I have running through my head relative to flying, small plane or commercial. I wonder if when we start working on something like thought control, it takes root at a level we’re not even aware of. Similarly, in the process of working on our fear we can actually sometimes “bring up” certain aspects of it that we had thought were gone or didn’t need to be addressed. For FoF, the thoughts tend to run rampant if unchecked somehow, and that might be what is happening with you tonight.

Oh dear, I AM sorry this is long, and I do hope you can relax and sleep tonight. You’ve got a lot of good company here with folks chewing on these same issues!

All best, Rebecca
:grouphug:

[paperwings]

Thank you Rebecca!

That dream of yours sounds very promising, like you are really working through the issues. All very positive.

I thank you so much for responding, you have no idea how much it means right now!!! :)

-Lauren

[Jeff California]

Lauren, I have those "omens" everytime I decide to have them. When I fly, I notice them without trying. You can find correlations in anything. I am driving to six flags tomorrow and I bet I can find things that show I will die on the way or on a ride.. Me writing this alone makes it more likely the rides will derail!!!! Yikes!!!! Wait a second... breathe... think rational... tHE ODDS OF A RIDE DERAILING JUST FOR YOU ARE ASTRONOMICAL IDIOT! ok.. back to reality Jeff...

Get on the plane and I will get on the rollercoasters and life will continue till the next time we find something to worry about. Dont give it power. it is a BELIEF without merit and it is the enemy. Kill the monster and get on the plane! I am up late as always and would be more than happy to chat in the chat room if you need someone to talk to.. HAVE A GREAT FLIGHT AND KILL THAT **** MONSTER!

Take Pics from the flight and I will post pics from the rides!! weeeeeeeeeeeee

[Agne]

I was booked on a Martinair flight from Amsterdam to Orlando, last december.

Some weeks before, I dreamt that we were on a Virgin 747 from London to Orlando and that there was black smoke coming out from the engines, and we attempted an emergency landing. I woke up and convinced myself it was not an omen, even because we were not flying on Virgin Atlantic.

I had forgotten that dream the day of my flight; but due to overbooking we were placed on a different flight. That was a Virgin Atlantic 747 from London to Orlando !!!!! But nothing happened. I remembered of my dream only after landing.

[UGOBill]

Okay, gotta stand up for the yoga teacher. Corpse pose is simply a referral to preparation of the body for total/absolute relaxation. It isn't to prepare for death, it refers more to the prone position of the body, absolute relaxation of the entire body (muscles, feet, arms, neck, etc.). You, I suppose, simply look something like a corpse in that position. Okay, that's my two cents. No omens. I would take it as a sign of someone teaching you relaxation techniques, some of which you can use when in a tense situation. Bill

[LeslieDEN]

Lauren, I guess that "corpse pose" is a real thing (I googled it), but imagine how other folks in your yoga class might've interpreted it, if they were into signs too:

My mom is ill, this is a sign that she will die!
I'm taking my pet in for tests tomorrow, this is a sign that she will die!
I've been feeling a strange lump, this is a sign that I will die!
I've been fighting with my boyfriend, this is a sign that the relationship will die!
I think my boss is upset with me, this is a sign that I will be fired and my career will die!

You know what I mean. If you are looking for "signs," you will find them, guaranteed. The best advice I can give is to look for happy flying signs, and you're guaranteed to find them too.

I actually did this one time: For a period of time, I tried to find "bad" signs, and I found them easily, in songs on the radio, in street signs, everywhere. Then I deliberately tried to find GOOD signs, and I found them too, in the same places. It's all in our heads, and there's no superpower trying to tell us anything.

[paperwings]

are awesome. Seriously. I am SO thankful for this support I cannot tell you.
Just having you respond to my crazy rants is enough to calm me for the moment.

Really I cannot thank you enough.

-Lauren

[kari]

I once had a dream that the Cheeky Girls had been abducted, and were missing for three weeks, presumed murdered. Of course, this was the main story on the news during this tense time.

Did it turn out to be true? Unfortunately not.

[paperwings]

Who are they?

But yeah, I hear ya....I sometimes think dreams are just fears we have, in fact, I know it.....

I have dreams where I run into high school people and it is SCARY!!!! :lol: :lol:

-L

[MarcoAviator]

Who are they?



Cheeky girls:

http://www.freewebs.com/yoursong/Cheeky_Girls-12.jpg

[Passenger Mark]

The dream thing can be totally discounted. We all know that when we go to sleep our brains continue to spin. And most likely spin about what has been on our mind during the day.

Take for instance Thor my German Shepherd.

What does he think about all day? Chasing stuff! Cats, squirrels, rabbits, whatever moves! Unfortunately in real life he never gets a "full run" at them because he is either in a fence, or on a leash.

If I am at my computer, and he is sleeping, I will hear little soft barks. I look over and those legs are jerking like he is running. Now I KNOW what he is dreaming about!

As I said before, signs (both good and bad) can be found if you look for them. Which again (to me) indicates that it is stuff that is always there, just our radars are tuned to pick up on them at certain times.

[EyesSkyward]

Okay, gotta stand up for the yoga teacher. Corpse pose is simply a referral to preparation of the body for total/absolute relaxation.

I was just about to post the same thing.

There really is a pose called Savasana. Some US teachers call it by the more benign name "relaxation pose", but it does literally translate to "corpse pose" (sava = corpse, sana = pose). I'm surprised your teacher hadn't mentioned that already. It's a pretty common term.

Just about every traditional hatha yoga class all over the planet finishes up with it. The pose has been around for hundreds of years. All those yoga practicioners are not all dying immediately afterwards, obviously. :)

I've heard that Savasana is one of the hardest poses to master, despite the fact that you're pretty much just lying on the floor. Part of it is probably because of that very battle against wayward thoughts like "OMIGOD I'M PREPARING FOR MY DEATH!"

Learning to passively acknowledge and then dismiss those thoughts, and truly relax is quite a challenge sometimes. But in doing so, you're developing a skill that should be of tremendous use when you do get on that plane and the B-Movies start playing in your head. :cool:

(Yeah, I used to take yoga. What of it? :tongue: )

- Jeff

[rosa]

i am having the same problem. i am flying in two days. so many thoughts all the time comes to my mind. that i should take last week flight. it was a succesfull one, hearing about death everywhere. example, i opened an email and there it says that you better be prepared for death, a man talking in the radio saying that people elude death, but death will reach them. then, a song about death. i think i will be crazy by that day. oh my God. they say chances are one in some millions , then i think i will be that one. thinking on that makes me really nervous.

as someone said, it appears that fearless fliers doesn't pay attention to those things. they just go and enjoyed the flight without thinking on what could happened. i have a friend of mine that doesn't care which airline she is flying on, she only goes for the cheapest fare. last week she took a solo flight on an airline she never flown before and also didn't know the plane model. i wish i could be like her. i have family who always takes
charter flights and they don't care either.

what can i say to you, we are in the same boat, wish you a nice flight.

[PositiveE]

Lauren -

You are not nuts, but you are definitely sabotaging your efforts to get on that plane. Trust me, I'm the queen of sabotaging! :tongue:

The reason you are dreaming about (like potential collision) is because your brain is processing this whole issue.

I'll bet your husband dreamed about a crash landing because you have been talking a lot about your fear of Flying/Crashing a lot lately????

You are searching for signs in everything. I don't have a fear of crashing so I wouldn't even pick up on the Patsy Cline song playing as an omen for me. I would just think, I like this song.... Patsy has such a beautiful voice.

Consider the idea that what's happening for you right now is your psyches way of sabotaging your efforts.

Good luck!

[PositiveE]

hearing about death everywhere. example, i opened an email and there it says that you better be prepared for death, a man talking in the radio saying that people elude death, but death will reach them. then, a song about death. i think i will be crazy by that day.


Yes, death is everywhere and it always will be. Better be prepared for death????? What does that mean? Are you prepared that you could walk into the street and get hit by a car and die?

People elude death? Not forever!

A song about death? Yup, there are many of them, but there's lots more songs about love.

Oh how I wish this FoF thing were a logic problem. If it were, it could be cured by quite simply applying logic.

Your brain is stuck in this mode. Playing the same record over and over. Being hypersensitive to all your surroundings.... you're on alert.

How do we take this groove you're in and start to change it? Food for thought.

[kari]

AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!

You don't know who the Cheeky Girls are? Be grateful, be very grateful ...

They are a pair of twins from Transylvania or Macedonia or somewhere like that. The story goes that their mother wrote them this song ... they took it with them to audition for Popstars. It was one of those auditions that was so terrible they had to show it on the programme. As an indication of how terrible this song actually was, the lyrics included the words "touch my bum, don't be shy."

The audition finished with Pete Waterman laughing until he cried before they cut to adverts.

Naturally, they didn't make it through, but inexplicably got themselves a record deal, released this song and with the general British public being as thick as they are, it was a massive hit. And really annoying to boot.

We have a lot of dreams that we wish would come true but they don't. We also have a lot of dreams that we hope don't come true. These also don't. Dreams are dreams are dreams :)

[PositiveE]

The cheeky girls sound like the British equivalent of William Hung on American Idol.

[WillFlyToDisney]

Lauren,

That is your "b" movie playing in your head - just another part of anticipatory anxiety - totally normal AND better yet totally under your control so you can stop it.

I used to have nightmares before my flights and see "signs" but guess what - I have flown a zillion times and am still here. The signs are just the product of an overactive imagination.

You can do this! :thumbsup:

Kelley

[MarcoAviator]

The cheeky girls sound like the British equivalent of William Hung on American Idol.

I now have this picture of William Hung singing "touch my bum, don't be shy" in his heavy accent, in a sequin dress.

Thanks PE. You just gave me nightmares for life.

[tabbygirl]

We have a lot of dreams that we wish would come true but they don't. We also have a lot of dreams that we hope don't come true. These also don't. Dreams are dreams are dreams :)
Because I know you all will really get how cool this was, I have to tell you, last night I dreamt I was finally on my way to Athens, as I will be in May. In real life I've been working on preparing for takeoff, always my scariest time, and have been a little ....tense. It will be my first time on a 747 and I still have trouble thinking of them as aerodynamic, with that weird hump and all.

Anyway, in the dream, as we took off...I WAS EXCITED! Very excited. I hated to wake up.

I know this isn't exactly an omen but I do think my subconscious is going to be my friend about this instead of my enemy!

Re: omens, when I used to think I was seeing bad ones, I did what Leslie did - i looked for good ones. It really is easy to play that game either way if you want to. But just remember, it IS a mind game.

Angela

[Rebecca]

Anyway, in the dream, as we took off...I WAS EXCITED! Very excited. I hated to wake up. I know this isn't exactly an omen but I do think my subconscious is going to be my friend about this instead of my enemy!Oh thank you thank you Angela for posting this, because a) it's great stuff and I'm excited for you, and b) it helps me feel better about posting my similar-ish dream in this thread. My point was that YES, our minds CAN really change because of what we put in them. I was so eager to share that BUT I've been blushing about it ever since thinking that it wasn't very clear.

Yes, I think IT IS TOTALLY A MIND THING, like the omen thing. And as such, a very good thing when the standard flying dream CHANGES toward the postive.
Progress of any sort in this whole thing is so .... welcome!!!! :sunshine:

Thanks again.

[Rebecca]

Hmmm. I can see how if I’m going to give a positive dream some weight, then I’ve got to give negative ones weight, too ….??? Dang. That is just SO the good thing about a forum … you can’t ignore the other side of the equation.

I was just so pleased in the dream to have “the usual” wildly bizarre and improbable scenario changed into a calm and normal one, that it just felt really good. Seems like Angela's was that way, too. Maybe I should just go with that... it felt good, so I’ll enjoy the visual image of my mental "triumph," consciously pull some encouragement out of it, and then let it be.

I manufacture omens all the time, so much so that I have learned to ignore them pretty well. So, we should just let these "dreams" and "omens" come in and then go out ... sort of like thoughts in yoga or Zen. They aren't good or bad, they just are, as someone above has said.

Okay. :mg:

[acuradriveronr3train]

I remember a plane crash story in Sudan where all the passengers died except for a baby who found alive on a tree! This is how fate was written!

I remember that something like that happened here in the U.S. back around 1987. There was a crash in which no one was thought to have survived, but a baby girl was found alive the next day or so. The crash was of a plane going from Detroit to Arizona, but the girl and her family were from the Philadelphia area.

I wonder whatever happened to the child, since her parents died in the crash.

[Barb-SAN]

A google search turned up this information about the survivor of NWA flight 255.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/cecelia_cichan

I had to fly from Detroit to San Diego the day after that crash...there was still yellow tape up around the accident site, which we passed on the way to the airport. I'm sure that crash played a part in my developing fear of flying. It took me 17 years to fly to Detroit again...and I was really nervous the first time I flew out of that airport again. Although I met the pilots on that flight, I couldn't bring myself to mention my fears of crashing...like it would be bad luck to mention that tragedy. I don't think about it much any more, having had a number of uneventful flights between SAN and DTW. Might be more nervous if I have to fly there in the summer during thunderstorms though.

Barb-SAN

[WillFlyToDisney]

Wow. As a Mother this gives me chills and just proves how powerful that instinct is to protect your children at all costs. I wonder if the girl has any memories of the crash. For her sake I hope she doesn't. I can't imagine...