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MarcoAviator
06-20-2005, 08:03 PM
Ok, so someone here voiced the intent of having a flight fest in Italy.

Here's is a suggestion.

By all means I don't want to impose anything on anyone, so if you decide to do something different, go right ahead. Don't necessarily feel obligated to follow my suggestions.

First a big of background.

For those that don't know, I am 33, born in Rome, moved in the US in '97, married to Naturalized US citizen (she's half british half french) and I am getting my citizenship too.

I speak Italian (Agne can vouch for that :D ) and Since I spent the first 20 years of my life in Rome I kinda ... know the lay of the land.

In the early 90s my parents moved to the countryside but alas, now that both me and my sister moved away from home, they decided just this year to move back into the city.

So next year they will live in Rome.

Next year I have no choice but to go. I won't only stay in Rome. I plan to visite Nice, France again (Gosh I LOVE that place!).

And I would like to go see Florence, which I have NEVER seen (yep, born in Italy but never really went anyplace other than Rome. Dull huh?).


So it would be a 10-12 days trip, a good week in rome and 2-3 days in Nice and 2-3 days in Florence. That's the idea.

Rome deserves a week and even if I have NEVER been outside of it I never get tired of it. There's always something new to do and even if I don't like Italy much, of Rome, I am proud of.

My parents just now moved to an area called "EUR". It's a ritzy-upscale type of neighborhood (better be, since the apartment they bought sits in the $1.5mil range).

I have no choice but stay there for my Rome visit. They won't hear any alternative. Ironically my sister doesn't live that far away ... so I get to hang out with her too.

So, if you guys feel interested, here is my suggestion (again, feel free to do whatever you want).

The EUR is a sort of half commercial, half residential area. There's a few hotels around there. The advantage of that area is that there's many subway stops at walking distance from my house and the 2 hotels I found around there.

The subway is the ONLY way to move around Rome. Don't try to drive it and don't even think about buses unless you want to die (think overcrowded, filthy).

the subway ain't that clean but it's not worse than the NY subway in Manhattan (in fact it's a bit better) and it runs late hours.

The blue circle with the black flag is where my parents' house is.

http://indie-web.com:443/images/romemap.jpg

The two hotels I found are these:

Hotel American Palace
http://rome-hotels.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187791-d205038-Reviews-TOP_Hotel_American_Palace_EUR-Rome_Lazio.html
This one ranges around 120 bux a room
According to my dad he's seen plenty of americans milling around this hotel. It's supposed to be international. He'll do more research and scout it out.


Villa Eur
http://www.villaeur.com/
This one ranges around 190 bux a room
It looks a bit more upscale to me (and it's more pricey). It's in the same area but my dad hasn't seen it yet. I'll tell him to scout it out.



The red "M" are the subway stops. The advantage of these hotels (in my opinion) is that they are not expensive, they look decent, they are not in the center of rome (which is VERY busy and VERY expensive) and they are at walking distance to the subway and the subway will drop you within 10 minutes anywhere between the Vatican, colosseum, ancient roman forum, all sort of shopping areas, you name it.

As for the area:
The little artificial lake you see there is an awesome little spot in the city where i used to go jogging a lot.


To give you an idea of what the EUR area looks like (I didn't take these pictures. I found these on the internet but i have been walking around these places many times):

http://www.italmarket.com/rm/hoteltrefontane/img/esterno.jpg

http://www.gdecarli.it/Circuiti/ITA/Foto/ITA%20Roma%20EUR/ITA%20Roma%20EUR%20F01.jpg

http://photos.jpeek.com/rome_2002/2_EUR/PC090234.JPG




http://www.lucianolombardi.it/Foto/Roma_eur7.jpg
(that's a pic of the lake)

http://www.lucianolombardi.it/Foto/Roma_eur3.jpg
(yes you can go on a boat on the lake. It's not that big but it's pretty).

http://www.lucianolombardi.it/Foto/Roma_eur6.jpg

Now, don't get me wrong. It looks pretty but it's like NY. You walk one block and it's really nice looking, nice shops, nice restaurants.

Then you turn around a block and all of a sudden you feel you are in fear of your life. It's dark, damp, seedy and there's a bunch of bums staring at you wondering how difficult it would be to peel your skin off and use it as toilet paper.

It's a big city, Rome. Grow eyes in the back of you head and keep your hands on your wallets at all times. Even in nice looking areas.

...


You guys would stay at the hotel, I would stay at my parents house. After breakfast we would meet in the lobby (or anywhere else) and me and my wife and (possibly) my sister would take you around the Center of Rome. CHances are in a week you won't see half of it.

If we take the chicks in a shopping area, forget it ... a month won't be enough ... :rolling:

Again, this is just a suggestion. By all means if you guys wanna do something different, we can just fly there togheter (on the same place) and then go our separate ways and then hang out someplace is Rome one or two days.

If you want me to take you around Rome, though ... :D ... I'm more than up for it! :thumbsup:

Agne
06-20-2005, 10:55 PM
Marco, great idea !!

I will come, 100% guaranteed, to Rome and Florence.
Of course I would be happy to help you to organize. Let me know what I can do.
I have been to Rome twice. The first I was 9 and I don't remember anything. The second it was a school trip, I was 15 and once again I don't remember anything :D So I can't wait to see Rome again !! About Florence, I think it's beautiful. I have been there twice.
I have a friend who studies in Rome, but I have no idea where she lives. Maybe near Cinecittą. BOH ! ( does it exist BOH ! in english? I don't think so). I can ask if I can stay at her house or I will stay in a hotel.

What is the period? Summer 2006?

Agne
06-20-2005, 11:05 PM
PS: I would love to come also to Nice, but I can't say it at the moment. In fact I don't know what I am going to do next year. If I continue studying after graduating, I should have no problem. If I work, maybe it will be a little harder.

WillFlyToDisney
06-20-2005, 11:18 PM
A close friend of mine's wife is a travel agent so I can call her to see if she can put together some packages so we can see prices.

I am VERY interested and of course I have to make stops in the UK to see my brother and Belgium to see my sister. :)

:) Count me in! :thumbsup:

Kelley

Passenger Mark
06-21-2005, 12:14 AM
Marco...

Great idea and thoughts! Any idea on airlines? Who usually has the best fares?


By the way....


How did you get that photo of Ken! :eek::eek::eek:

http://photos.jpeek.com/rome_2002/2_EUR/PC090234.JPG

:rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling:

WillFlyToDisney
06-21-2005, 12:36 AM
Hey do they have any statues of Pilots????

:D
Kelley

MarcoAviator
06-21-2005, 03:28 AM
Hey do they have any statues of Pilots????

:D
Kelley

Yeah that was a statue of Ray actually! :rolling::rotflmao::rolling::rotflmao:

PS: are you FIXATED with pilots or what?:tongue:

MarcoAviator
06-21-2005, 03:31 AM
Marco...

Great idea and thoughts! Any idea on airlines? Who usually has the best fares?




I fly continental ... they are the most decent priced I could find ... they fly direct from Newark, NJ.

Alitalia is out of the question. I wouldn't fly with them if they were the last airline in the world (chances are many others will be around after Alitalia is gone and bankrupted ... but that's another story for another time).

Delta flies from JFK or Laguardia ... not EWR.

Everything else (Airfrance, Virgin, BA, etc) will make a stop in the respective countries (which is not a big issue but it's easier to just take one hop if possible).

MarcoAviator
06-21-2005, 03:33 AM
What is the period? Summer 2006?

Yeah ... anytime between May and September.

Ideally we should try and go as early or as late as possible.

In the middle of the summer Rome tends to get impossibly hot and full of annoying tourists taking pictures and yapping in foreign languages ...

... wait a second ... what am I saing? :shocked: I am a tourist ... :mg:

Jeff California
06-21-2005, 04:17 AM
It would have to be after June 1 for Andrea and I. She gets vacation on June 1... We are using 3 of her four week vacation days next month....

Late late late!!!!!!!!!or maybe leave early June??

Andrea said she wont go unless I take her to Pompeii.. Is that far from Rome? I will go look it up.. Would we fly into Rome? Can I take a boat from California:lol:

Thanks for the info and pics!

Jeff

ps- we are figuring 5000 USD for the trip.. sound about right for 2 people 10 days?

Jeff California
06-21-2005, 04:42 AM
air canada is 900 on sidestep for May 2006 (latest you can reserve right now).

Delta is 950

Continental is 1700 on sidestep and at their website.


Where can I find a RT for 200 bux?:confused:

MarcoAviator
06-21-2005, 04:51 AM
air canada is 900 on sidestep for May 2006 (latest you can reserve right now).

Delta is 950

Continental is 1700 on sidestep and at their website.


Where can I find a RT for 200 bux?:confused:

I found 660 on air canada on www.cheaptickets.com

WOW ... continental is 1400!! what the heck happened??? they used to be the cheapest!!

Jeff California
06-21-2005, 05:03 AM
Remember, that is me flying from Los Angeles.

WillFlyToDisney
06-21-2005, 05:18 AM
Jeff - Go Delta and fly with ME out of NY. :)

Seriously I would really love to go. I am looking around at stuff I can sell on ebay for the "Italy fund"!
Kel

Agne
06-21-2005, 08:18 AM
Alitalia is out of the question. I wouldn't fly with them if they were the last airline in the world

I agree

Usually I fly with British Airways but into Bologna. It makes a stop in London.
If you book early you can find cheaper fares (I spent 380 euro from Bologna to Orlando in december). I have flown also Air France, Lufthansa and this summer I will fly KLM: it was the cheapest but you have do book early anyway. I spent 1000 euro and it is 1300 now.
My dad has flown also with Virgin Atlantic, Martinair, Continental.

Later I check if I can find something.

Agne
06-21-2005, 08:29 AM
... wait a second ... what am I saing? :shocked: I am a tourist ... :mg:

ooh yes Marco. :lol:

Between May and September is good. I think June or September are the best periods.

Oh, and I am considering to fly back to the States with you all.

Agne
06-21-2005, 01:42 PM
Andrea said she wont go unless I take her to Pompeii.. Is that far from Rome?



Jeff, this is a map of Italy, the blue circle shows Pompei:

http://212.11.63.94/mapsgene/dm/04OxLPjbtKNMA9mK-zj4MIz1Xa-F22vBXMJV=i7R2JaDF3Vhly=wFEdat1Wkkh83kRBnxaQiZH=G4 jXlhIniPqCoGhATy--tITooQJIOkF95V1O1-RPER0_XAFRs6kM=snqKQSwfs=bLYVc-vNsjG_Kkc0JI6=zoIyVo=-dRxF0HgT4DornG=bGR7CuyZZv8eqVrGN3kH8782oF-9-LRy-F1eh5ATDRRxAfHfewKMVbv58_wdhBwQcdGljj9c7VWCL=v-i7Npp454TzOJ0txoPEr1Q-5Y-53m1nIUU

MarcoAviator
06-21-2005, 02:34 PM
Jeff, this is a map of Italy, the blue circle shows Pompei:

http://212.11.63.94/mapsgene/dm/04OxLPjbtKNMA9mK-zj4MIz1Xa-F22vBXMJV=i7R2JaDF3Vhly=wFEdat1Wkkh83kRBnxaQiZH=G4 jXlhIniPqCoGhATy--tITooQJIOkF95V1O1-RPER0_XAFRs6kM=snqKQSwfs=bLYVc-vNsjG_Kkc0JI6=zoIyVo=-dRxF0HgT4DornG=bGR7CuyZZv8eqVrGN3kH8782oF-9-LRy-F1eh5ATDRRxAfHfewKMVbv58_wdhBwQcdGljj9c7VWCL=v-i7Npp454TzOJ0txoPEr1Q-5Y-53m1nIUU

I didn't even remember where Pompeii is!!!

Bad ... baaaaaad!!

Yeah, Pompeii good. It think it's driving distance (like 3 hours away or something).

I can ask my dad ...

WillFlyToDisney
06-21-2005, 06:40 PM
Agne - that would be great! Come on back with us. :)

Kelley

Agne
06-21-2005, 07:03 PM
Sure !!

Erm..where's my map? Everytime I add an image it PUFF !! disappears.
Am I visionary? :nuts:

Agne
06-21-2005, 07:56 PM
Austrian: from New York JFK to Rome Fiumicino (stops in Vienna) May 2006: 724,74 USD

I tried also British Airways and Air France but they don't show 2006 dates.

Passenger Mark
06-21-2005, 10:15 PM
How much is Southwest? :eek: